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Sometimes I even did it deliberately. A little disruption now can prevent disaster later.

NeoNotes — accusation

I've been seeing more speculation about CAYA and Matthews. I'm not familiar beyond that. I have to say, keeping silent is a valid response. Troubling, but valid.

As I've said, I don't really know much except the rumors about this particular situation. But I've been giving this a lot of thought over the last year or so, even more in the last few months.

So let's take a hypothetical. I'm not "openly" a pagan in my hometown. It's not one of those things that comes up much. If I am not looking for a confrontation, it's not necessary to shove it in people's faces. Now suppose that a very enthusiastic evangelical Christian found out about my "hidden" faith and saw it as their duty to denounce me to the World. Why, everyone should know about my Dark and Terrible Rites where I Corrupt wives and daughters Forevermore and slake my Unspeakable Lusts with any house pets in the area! Good people should know! It should be public knowledge!

How would I prove that I don't do that? Can I even talk about it without making it worse? If there is enough noise, even the people who know and trust me might develop doubts. Particularly in this day and age where the "accuser is holy" more times than not (apologies to Arthur Miller).

It's said that you can't prove a negative. I'm not even sure you can address the accusation anymore.

I don't know what happened. But I also don't know if truth and openness are enough today.

I understand what you're saying. I agree that the best response should be transparency.

But that depends on people willing to listen.

Well, that's a mess.

First it looks to me that The Wild Hunt editors are doing their damnedest here. There are no easy answers here, and there is no clear way to sort through all this. This is an accurate report under the circumstances.

But the circumstances are disturbing.

Personally, I think it's vital to have friends outside your faith and outside your work. It helps you to balance. We need people we don't agree with but still trust to keep us out of the ego traps. We need other outlets for our passion just to keep ourselves fresh.

I believe that if you don't question what a teacher or a book is telling you, you're not doing your part. Ask questions. Question the answers. Question your questions.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what to say. I don't know the personalities involved and this is all third hand.

As I said a couple of days ago, you can't depend on the "system," any system to do it for you. What the mind of a human can create, the mind of another human can outwit. You have to get honorable people watching and you have to ask questions. Those questions are going to make people uncomfortable, but it's the only way.

I didn't say that it was correct or even that it was helpful here.


I wasn't going to bring it up, but one of the things I can't help noticing in these situations is the trend towards an echo chamber where no dissent is allowed, especially once the stories from the victims start flowing. I know passions can run high and I know people are sharing their secret hearts and how anything that questions can seem like a dagger.

But feelings aren't facts and we can't pretend that they are.

Does this mean I doubt the victims? No, but I don't have enough information to judge definitively. I'm pretty sure something hinky was going on, but I don't know enough about the character of the victims to tell what it is. I don't even have enough to tell if all the victims are telling the truth. More importantly, I'm pretty sure that my judgement doesn't matter in this situation. I can't do anything about what happened. No matter what happens from here out, no matter what "systems" are put in place so it doesn't happen again, this pain will remain. The victims have to share their pain with people they trust, it's the best way they can move through it.

And yes, that's going to mean facing doubt. There are going to be times when sharing your truth will get you mocked and disparaged. People will not always agree with you, people will not always respect you for your pain, and you'll have to cope with that too.

We do people no favors when we shield them from criticism. Or assholery either.

Unposted because the thread closed.

I didn't say "questionable motivations," I said it begs the question of your own motivations. I don't know what those are, I've just got what you say they are.

Myself, I support human rights. Not women's rights, not men's rights, not trans rights, not pagan rights, not Navajo rights. It's not a right unless the other person has it too. Anything else is a privilege taken at somebody else's expense.

Is there a trans agenda to deny women their rights? Possibly. I know that some radfems want to deny men their rights. I know that there are some men who want to deny women their rights. I know that there are some "blacks" who want to deny "whites" their rights and there are some "whites" who want to deny "blacks" their rights. But some is not all and some is not a majority.

I do know that trans agenda or not, there's a lot of noise and smoke here that the CAYA congregation doesn't seem to want to talk about. That's certainly their choice and their right. What I am not sure about is how everything else got dragged into it.

What you seem to be saying is that all these people and groups are being manipulated by some vague trans agenda. That seems overcomplicated to me, but I am an outsider looking in.

NeoNotes are the selected comments that I made on other boards, in email, or in response to articles where I could not respond directly.

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